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Monday, August 15, 2011


I posted this at INTJforums, but after reading a few of your comments on the "INTJ's attractiveness" thread, I thought I'd share it here too.  It was a spur-of-the-moment gift to the love of my life, and it's TRUE!
10)He can find anything.
Me: "honey, where are my glasses?"
INTJ: "beside the bed, behind the water glass, and possibly under the large stuffed turtle that the kids threw there."

9) I can make a joke about transparent aluminum, and he GETS it!

8) He doesn't mind me being a little bit Rachel Ray-plus-Joss Whedon, as long as I don't mind him being a little bit Tony Stark-plus-Mr. Spock.

7) From Please Understand Me: "INTJ's approach sex as a technique to be mastered, and get much gratification from pleasing their partner."

6) INTJ's *love* to master techniques.

5) If I want something different in the relationship, I can just ASK for it. Neither one of us are aware of whatever dumb social rules are *suppossed* to apply, so we don't care. Me: "honey, I wish you would tell me u loved me more often." INTJ: (enters into his phone, "tell ENFP you love her every day by 3pm") "ok."

4) I never have to feel guilty about wanting to learn a new art form: anything I want to learn has some sort of gadget, chemical, or computer program that he can geek out on too. 

3) Reading the ad copy on www.thinkgeek.com can provide us both with hours of free entertainment.

2) Three Words that make our skin tingle: Firefly Date Night.

1) He can say, "I'm not going anywhere," and I know I can believe him



Has any other ENFP noticed that they are so intrigued by INTJs? They are enigmas!  So brooding, intelligent, and private. What is it about them? When asked, can you pin it down?

INTJs and ENFPs intrigue each other because we have similarities, but we're vastly different. We puzzle each other. >.> And both types love a good challenge. INTJs want people to make sense...and ENFPs just want to know everything we possibly can about everything.

I have recently come to realize that INTJs and ENFPs have the same tendency to hide their own intelligence. INTJs do so to avoid being bothered and because they like being underestimated as it puts them at an advantage. ENFPs do so because...we'd rather not be as intelligent as we are. Plus, I think ENFPs are perfectionists at heart, and knowing our own sad shortcomings with procrastination and the like as we do, it's easier to pretend like we're really as naive and simple as we sometimes come across. But INTJs are insightful creatures who notice very quickly that there's wit behind that friendly grin....and ENFPs sense more beneath the surface of the stoic INTJ than is readily visible. ENFPs are rather disarming with our direct, forthright, and genuine manner....some immature ones even coming off as waaaaaaaaaaay too forward and perhaps a bit clingy and desperate for attention. The INTJ is intrigued by this strange mixture of honesty, wit, random humor, and an almost naive outlook on people. >.> I think, over time, it brings out the more protective instincts in the INTJ, lest we poor little generous fools be taken advantage of by the cruel people of the world.




I agree that it has something to do with inherent intelligence, in that INTJs are those who despise stupidity and ENFPs can't get by in so many social circles without being smart enough to keep up conversation.
I do know that as soon as I get my INTJs talking about whatever it is that they're an expert at they could go for hours! 


The attraction works both ways but it is more likely for the ENFP to make the first step - cause they are the E in the relationship ofc.
The ENFPs and the INTJs are both looking for something interesting and challenging. ENFPs are good at people detection cause they use people`s feelings to understand them, but when they meet the emotionless INTJ they have difficulties understanding their personality as it is only based on logic.
INTJs analyze people when they find the pattern of their behavior based on some logic. As ENFPs are not based on logic they seem random to the INTJ and so they become interested in their personality.
As both types are strong Ns they are always developing and changing and so the fun never stops.

At least that`s my theory (R).




I don't see any link to domestic violence in this song - what I'm hearing is a story of longing & inability to commit, which defies the feminine stereotype, but we all read different things into music & lyrics.

Always. I can put on my service face (from working with people) and "act" normal long enough for a quick exchange, but anything more than that people just don't know how to react. There is a level of intensity they just don't know how to deal with. Even long time friends react to it if I don't keep it suppressed.

Best I can tell it's my willpower. People just "feel" it and don't know what it is they feel. At least that comes from the few friends who have ever brought it up. Willpower and confidence are not the same. People are impressed by confidence, even if there is nothing to back it up. The average person has very little willpower, unless driven by an emotion, though they might have a ton of confidence. Anger or love has an exponential effect on an individual's willpower. Mine, however, I am constantly trying to suppress because I know it makes people feel uncomfortable.

The stronger the willpower of the person I am talking to, the less they seem to be affected, the more I can be myself. Typically that requires someone ten to fifteen years older than me, or another NT. Even then it's still a small number of people who don't feel intimidated.

That's just my opinion of it, anyway. It is at times infuriating because I can only ever be myself when no one else is around. It's the only time there is no risk of intimidating anyone.



I've noticed, too, that since I managed to piss off my ISFP "friend," she will hang with her little posse the entire time I'm at the barn - now this is someone who I've known for nearly 5 years, we've hung out numerous times, yet ONE time I'm honest with her about being upset about some stuff, and she is reacting like I've suddenly become an ax murderer. Apparently, if I'm not shoveling sunshine and daisies up her rather large ass, then I must be waiting in the shadows to launch a full on assault. 

I don't warm up to people very quickly, but it's because I have had a tendency to piss people off rather quickly by either being too honest or sarcastic. Due to this track record, I tend to stick to the sidelines until I get comfortable around someone and they get to know me.



apparently I walk around with a "stay the fuck away from me" expression on my face without realizing it. It's more to do with the fact that I'm always deep in thought and less because I always consciously think "don't talk to me".


I once, quite randomly, said I could see a future as a hit man. Three friends in the room agreed immediately, without hesitation. They were not joking, or even lightly humorous, they were completely sincere. I was far more reactive to their lack of reaction than anything they responded with.

I was quite shocked. I could have picked up assassins r us and started looking for jobs and I don't think it would have phased them.
Months later I am still not sure what to think about it.

Years before another friend had a dream where I had gone on a rampage and was walking around with a sword in one hand and a duffle bag with the heads of all my other friends in the other.

More recently one of my friends had a dream where I was an evil sorcerer who could transform into a dragon, and was supposed to have met her much earlier in her life and was originally intended to control all of her life through dark magic.

I must affect their sub-conscious much more than it appears.







My closest INTJ friend, (I happen to be in an ideal environment for NTs to congregate), is intimidating.

The INTJ always has a condescending expression on his/her face, and says things in such a fashion, it feels you're a child being scolded for doing something wrong. [Considering what NTs value the most, the INTP feels guilty of stupidity.] INTJs can lower one's self-image during the encounter; they absolutely radiate signals of "silent criticism", as if they're picking you to pieces inside their heads, and without mercy.


Being a perceiver means that I'll spend a lot more time on one idea until it becomes incomprehensively abstract, whereas, INTJs seem to be more pragmatic. (As in they are happy to make conclusions about the inconclusive). This gets me nervous because I place a very high value on the way I play with ideas, and having them misinterpreted as concrete is something I try to avoid. 

I'm right on the cusp for my T/F and J/P so on odd days I have had this effect on people. That makes it a whole lot easier to understand.







People usually find me intimidating. I don't know why that is. When a group of people are having a conversation I rarely say anything, instead I just stand and stare. I think people find it weird or strange. 
I'm fairly hard talking to as I prefer to talk about something relevant. If I have to talk it has to be something which can lead to a heavy conversation instead of small talk. I find small talk unimportant, actually. I don't have much to say when it comes to that. The topic dies awfully fast and it gets awkward. Then I would rather dealing with saying nothing.







As long as you don't act like you know something you don't or make grand (all inclusive/exclusive) statements - you should be alright. Nothing fires us up like talking with someone who clearly has no clue what they're talking about. Not that it makes us mad - but it sure makes things fun for us =).

Other than that - yeah we look angry all the time I guess, but we sure protect our own (equip them before arguments, strategy before conflict/debates, and jump in if necessary to help out).

You want a good INTJ on your team, not "theirs" =P





Do I respond with typical snark here? Do you think we spend our days looking at people seeing how they can be used and they are of no benefit they are worthy only of our scorn?

Sometime it would be nice to engage in light banter with a peer, or be cool/suave when attempting to charm a member of the opposite sex. 

Our failure in those areas comes more from our hardwiring, which in turn leads to a lack of a practice. This cycle reinforces itself. Most times when I sense people are unnerved by me while conversing; I think they believe I am being critical of them in my head. Instead my head is racing to find the most appropriate reply, examining how my reply could misinterpreted based up my tone, inflection, or double meanings. Then thinking about what the person could say in response to my response so that I have good odds of coming up with what, in my mind, is a suitable response to that. 

This is an exhausting process.

Saturday, August 13, 2011

Why does purpose matter?


Why does it matter whether or not your life actually has a purpose?
Let’s take a few steps back and creep up on this question….
If you complete a task, and there’s no overall important context for that task, then the task doesn’t really matter. So you watch a TV show. It doesn’t make a difference — there’s no larger context for it. But if you complete a task that’s part of a larger project, now it suddenly matters, at least within the context of the project. If you create a web page, and it’s part of a new web site you’re building, that task matters. It takes you closer to the realization of the completed project.
Now when does a project matter? Projects matter only within the context of a larger goal. If your goal is to increase your income, and you complete a project that is likely to facilitate it, the project matters. It brings you a step closer to the realization of your goal. But if you complete a project like digging a trench through your backyard, and there’s no real goal you’re trying to accomplish, then the project is pointless. There’s no meaning behind it.
If a project isn’t part of some larger goal, then that project has no context and is therefore irrelevant. You don’t need a complicated goal to give meaning to a project. It could be something simple like increasing your happiness or even just entertaining you for a while. But human behavior is purposeful, and we humans don’t tend to undertake projects if there is no good reason for doing so. People don’t often work hard at digging holes and refilling them for no reason.
What’s the difference between projects and goals? Goals are outcomes, objectives. They’re states of being — a state where you’d like to be at some point. Projects are encapsulations of the actions you feel you can take to help you achieve a goal. Owning your own home is a goal. Writing a screenplay is a project.
So to reverse the order, you start by setting some goals, create projects to achieve those goals, and perform tasks to complete those projects and thereby achieve your goals.
But now what’s the context for your goals? Why do they matter? If a task needs the context of a project and a project needs the context of a goal, don’t goals need a context as well in order for them to matter?
Say you set a goal to increase your income by 50%. Why is that relevant? Is it pointless? What is the context within which such a goal actually matters? Why is that goal any better or worse than filling your backyard with holes?
Goals do need a context as well; otherwise, they’re irrelevant too. A goal without a meaningful larger context is pointless.
One context that makes goals matter is human need, branching from the basic root need of survival. Goals that enhance your survival can be said to be important. Another human need is connecting with others; it’s been found that this need is actually hardwired into us from birth.
But if all our goals occur only within the context of physical and emotional needs, then all we really get out of life is survival and mediocrity. Making more money seems to help satisfy our need for security. Getting married and having kids helps with our need for socialization and connection. And then there are compound behaviors like learning new skills to advance in our careers so we can become better and better at filling these basic needs.
But there’s another possible context for our goals that goes beyond need. And that is the context of purpose. If your life has a purpose other than merely satisfying your own physical and emotional needs, now you have the ability to access a whole new arena of goal-setting. You can set goals that go way beyond the context of need.
Some people may argue that purpose is a human need as well, possibly a spiritual need. I suppose that’s a valid way of looking at it, except that it doesn’t appear to be as much of a NEED as physical and emotional survival — it’s a lot quieter and easier to tune out. But for now I’ll treat purpose as something above and beyond basic physical and emotional needs.
If you only work within the context of need, then you automatically lack the ability to set and achieve certain types of goals. There are some goals you’ll just never be able to achieve. You don’t have a context for them, so you’ll never set them in the first place. Even though they might be grand and interesting goals, you won’t even consider them. People who achieve those kinds of goals that lie outside your context might include Jesus, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr. They worked within a context beyond personal need. If your only context for goals is need, then you can never hope to get close to anything they did. Your whole life will only be about survival — that’s as far as you’ll go. All you can ever hope for is mediocrity; greatness lies beyond your reach.
The second problem with having need as your only context for goals is that you’ll have a hard time pushing yourself beyond the point where you feel your needs are already satisfied. For some of you reading this, you’ve probably already done pretty well at setting and achieving goals within the context of your personal needs. I’ve been at this point in my life for many years. All my basic needs are met, and I expect I’ll be able to maintain that situation for the rest of my life without too much trouble. So there’s no real motivation in pushing myself to set more goals within the context of need. All that context can do is keep me maintaining the status quo, at best edging it up gradually. It can help me achieve more of the same and sometimes even an improved version of the same, but it can’t help drive me to achieve goals outside the context of need. And there are a lot of hugely interesting goals and experiences that don’t fall within the realm of need.
Some people get a lot more mileage out of the need context than others. For example, if you’re starting from a point of poverty, the context of need alone can push you to become extremely wealthy. Similarly, a bout with cancer can enable you to push yourself to a far greater state of health in the long run. But for most people, at some point that context of need runs dry. You can tell if this has happened to you if, when you think about big goals, they just don’t seem to matter; they appear to be more trouble than they’re worth. You have an underlying feeling that says, “Eh… why bother?” I suppose this helps explain why 90% of the people working today can expect to earn within +/- 10% of their current income for the rest of their lives.
When you reach this point of stuckness, it’s time to move beyond the context of need. Think of your need context as being a project you’ve completed. There’s no point in continuing to perform tasks within the scope of a project that’s already done. If you’ve already made dinner and eaten it, you can stop stirring the sauce. The meal is done.
Similarly, if you’re now living in a situation where your needs are adequately met, and you don’t seem to be getting any more mileage out of need-based goals, then you need a new context for goal setting. Otherwise, you’ll be stuck with some lame and impotent goals. You’re probably in this situation now if you set a goal to double your income, and despite feeling like you should want to achieve it, you get nowhere with it. And you know it’s because you didn’t really put much effort into it. Again, it seems more trouble than it’s worth. You’re not impotent though — your context for setting this goal is impotent. It doesn’t tap into your passion and talents in a way that sustains your momentum.
The next context beyond need is purpose. Purpose doesn’t conflict with need. It’s just a new context for goal setting. It can continue to coexist with need-based goals. Just as you can have multiple projects and multiple goals in your life, you can also have multiple goal contexts.
The cool thing about purpose is that it’s a much more expansive and interesting context than need. Need is pretty limited, as it’s focused around survival. But purpose is a much broader context that frees you from the limits of working on survival goals. Ideally, your purpose will be found within the overlap between your passion and your talents. If you need help identifying a context of purpose that’s right for you, here’s one way to do it.
I also find that the context of purpose works better than the context of need in several ways. First, it aligns better with your inner fire… your passion. You can only get semi-passionate about meeting your needs, but when your passion is aligned with your purpose, you’ll have far more energy and get far more done. For example, if you’re trying to find a mate out of the context of need, like you don’t want to be alone the rest of your life, that’s very weak motivation. You can easily fail to achieve such a goal when it’s only motivated by need — there’s little passion behind it… more of a sense of desperation. And your drive will be inconsistent — some days you’ll feel it strongly, while other days it will be weaker, and you’ll feel OK being alone. But when you come from the context of purpose, you’re feeling great about who you are as a human being, thinking about how much you have to offer a potential mate, and radiating that feeling to others you meet. And that passion will make it far easier to attract someone compatible into your life. Desperation turns people away, but passion attracts. Think about it — how attracted would you be to a potential mate who is living his/her purpose vs. someone whose whole life is just about survival? And if you attract someone from your need-based context, that person will most likely be in that same context, so your whole relationship will exist within the context of need — I need you; you need me. But contrast this with a relationship which forms within the context of purpose for both people; now the relationship itself can be much broader because it transcends need. The relationship itself forms out of the basis of achieving a greater purpose. These aren’t always romantic relationships either — you can see outcomes like the relationship between Jesus and his Apostles, coming together from a context of purpose rather than need.
The second way that purpose works better than need is that purpose is a more stable context. Need is a great motivator when you’re starving, but it’s a lousy motivator when your belly is full. The more you achieve your goals within the context of need, the more that need is satisfied, and the weaker it becomes as a context for setting new goals. Purpose, however, is ongoing and doesn’t drop off in intensity as you achieve success. It maintains its power at more constant levels — in fact, if anything it grows stronger the more you work within it.
Thirdly, self-discipline becomes easier. When your passion and talents are aligned with your goals (which is what happens within the context of purpose), everything down the line gets easier. Most of the projects and tasks which derive from your purpose-driven goals will fall within your talents, unlike need-based goals, which can lead to projects and actions that are very difficult and stressful. For example, if your purpose involves composing beautiful music, and you have a strong innate talent in this area, then your projects and tasks will likely involve spending a lot of time composing music. You don’t have to force yourself into action, since you’re already good at this kind of work, and you enjoy it immensely too. But you don’t always have this luxury of aligning passion and talents when you work only within the context of need. That’s where you may have to do things that you dislike and which you aren’t very good at, like forcing the musician inside you to do accounting work. Instead of feeling energized all day long, you’ll feel drained and demotivated if you work too far outside your passion-talent bubble for too long.
Fourthly, you’ll find that when you work within the context of purpose, you’ll also be able to use this context to more powerfully satisfy some of your needs automatically. Think back to the lower level of projects. Sometimes if you complete a particular project, it automatically takes care of another project in the process — i.e. killing two birds with one stone. You can do the same thing when working on goals from different contexts. And when this happens, it’s wonderful because you can achieve need-based goals while still enjoying the benefits of working within the context of purpose. An example here would be if you decide to pursue your passion as a musician, and you become very financially successful at it. So now you’re able to use your talents and passion to handle your physical needs without having to succumb to doing things you dislike or which you aren’t very good at. You’re able to satisfy your needs while staying within your passion-talent bubble.
This makes it pretty clear that knowing your purpose is crucial. If you don’t have a purpose in life, then you’re stuck working only within the context of need. It means your life is only about physical and emotional survival. Certain goals are forever beyond your ability to achieve. And your ongoing motivation for setting and achieving goals will become weaker the more successful you are at achieving them. The further you get, the weaker your motivation for continued goal-setting. The best you can hope for within this context is pretty darn limited. You’re basically doomed to live out a complicated version of life as a lower mammal.
However, when you know your purpose, now you have a whole new context for goal setting… not only new but also a lot more powerful. Imagine spending your whole life up to this point working on a project that isn’t very interesting to you and which you’re not very good at. And then suddenly you’re given a second project which fascinates you and which is a perfect fit for your skills and talents. And on top of that, if you focus on this new second project, it will likely take care of the first project automatically, so you never have to work on the first project directly again. Now which project would you choose to work on?
You don’t have to master the survival context to begin working in the purpose context. By it’s very nature, you can’t really ever master survival — the better you get at meeting your needs, the weaker this context becomes. And you needn’t abandon the survival context either. Keep setting need-based goals. But add that second, more powerful context of purpose right alongside it. Now you have a new dimension to start setting goals that have nothing to do with your survival needs.
What can you do within the context of purpose that you can’t do within the context of need? You can create an album of your own beautiful music with no concern over making money from it… just the desire to share it with the world. And you can have it matter deeply to you and not feel irrelevant and pointless. What are some goals you can set within the context of purpose which lie outside the context of need?
When you expand your goal-setting into the context of purpose, you expand your life. Right now I’d say I’m spending about 80% of my work time on goals within my purpose context and about 20% in the need context. A year ago it was about 80-20 the opposite way. This has made a huge positive difference for me, with the best part being that I’ve been experiencing life in ways I’d never have been able to access from the context of need alone. Often it’s possible to take a need-based goal and transform it into a purpose-based goal. So you gain access to all the motivational benefits of the purpose context while still taking care of the basic need.
If you don’t yet know your purpose, it’s worthwhile to take the time to discover it, so you can get past the dull need context and start working on some far more interesting purpose-driven goals congruent with your deepest passion and your greatest talents.

PERSONALITY TYPE



The people in my Family and Myself.


ESFP: The Performer / Artisans - Brother
ESTP: The Promoter / Artisans - Father
ESFJ: The Protector / Guardians - Mother
iNTJ: The Mastermind / Rationals - Me

Personal Analysis based on observation of the character types in my family.

"I already knew some of that stuff about myself, but I didn't know that I was a kind or type of person, and that therefore there had to be others just like me."

I also understood for the first time why I felt so different from everybody else, including my parents, brothers, and friends, and why I hated irrationals, impulsive individuals and despised stupidity. All those years growing up I hadn't been sure whether there was something wrong with me or with all these other people, but I was sure that I had never met anyone like me. Why everyone saw me as cold, distant, emotionless, proud and arrogant has all been explained.


*Disorders to which each type may be predisposed*
(BEFORE READING, I'M AWARE THAT MY RESEARCH SHINES A NEGATIVE LIGHT ON THE PERSONALITY TYPES, (that's just me being a cynic) BUT THERE'S MUCH POSITIVE AND GOODNESS IN EACH AND EVERY TYPE.)

If you do not want what I want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.
Or if my beliefs are different from yours, at least pause before you set out to correct them.
Or if my emotion seems less or more intense than yours, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel other than I do.
Or if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, please let me be.
I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up trying to change me into a copy of you.
If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself to the possibility that some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear as right for me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me.
Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And one day, perhaps, in trying to understand me, you might come to prize my differences, and, far from seeking to change me, might preserve and even cherish those differences.
I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, your colleague. But whatever our relation, this I know: You and I are fundamentally different and both of us have to march to our own drummer.

I can confirm the following disorders have occurred at some point in my life and some may still be ongoing. However the extent do how severe the disorders are is subjective and may not always appear to be the way they seem. For example the ESTP may not be a pornstar but the need for stiumlation is great.

I am not homosexual but the fetishes are at certain points in my life true, sadly.


ESFP: The Entertainer
1. Promiscuity: A love of pleasing others combined with a high need for excitement, and keen senses, makes them prone to this.


ESTP: The Promoter
1. Compulsive gambling: The need for risky excitement, tendency for greed, and inferior ability to visualize the results of actions can lead to unwise gambling.
2. Violence/Belligerence: Again, need for excitement and lack of "moral" constraints can lead to fighting, assualt, and bullying.
3. Promiscuity: Need for stimulation strikes again, most porn stars are ESTP.
4. Addictive personality: A need to feel numb and disassociated from themselves leads them to use of substances like heroin or alcohol.


ESFJ: The Caregiver
1. Very Abusive: Again, violence is seen as acceptable in many circumstances, however, intense focusing on feelings and inferior ability to use logical restraint causes them to be less restrained than ISTJ or ESTJ, and hence the most abusive.
2. Physically uncoordinated: Often they are the most physically unncoordinated people, having trouble at various activies such as learning to drive, driving in the dark, riding a bike, or anything that requires coordination and athleticism.


INTJ: The Scientist
1. Obessive-Compulsive Disorder: Need for closure can often warp into OCD, which they say is caused by a misfiring of the brain's signal to end a particular action or thought process.
[Happens all the time, this is where I go into Manic Depression and fall into a lesser stage of insanity]
2. Disthymia: All INTJ are arguable disthymic, which is defined as low level non suicidal depression characterized by a lack of affect (emotional expression).
3. Transvestitism, Crossdressing: INTJs elaborate process of mimicking those they oppose or wish to emulate can result in crossdressing fetishes in both genders.



Note: Homosexuality: This seems to occur mostly in INTP, INTJ, INFP, ISFJ, and ENFP. Probably because of a disregard of society's standards (in INTJ and INTP), or valuing good feelings over social standards (INFP and ISFJ), or a fascination with the beautiful and poetic, traditionally feminine qualities (ENFP).

- Also Explains why most homos I've met seemed bright. 

More notes about myself.
"insist that they have a rationale for everything they do, that whatever they do and say makes sense.
So Myers described the NTs as "analytical" and "systematic"-as "ab- stract," "theoretical," and "intellectual"-as "complex," "competent" and "inventive"-as "efficient," "exacting" and "independent"-as "logical" and "technical"-and as "curious," "scientific," and "research-oriented." Here again is a unique and easily recognizable configuration of character traits, the NTs a breed apart, starkly different from SPs, SJs, and NFs." - Adapted from Please Understand Me II by David Keirsey

Masterminds tend to be much more self-confident than other Rationals, having usually developed a very strong will. Decisions come easily to them; indeed, they can hardly rest until they have things settled and decided. They have a drive to completion, always with an eye to long-term conse- quences. Ideas seem to carry their own force for them, although they subject every idea to the test of usefulness. Difficulties are highly stimulating to INTJs, who love responding to a problem that requires a creative solution. These traits of character lead them to occupations where theoretical models can be translated into actuality. They build data and human systems wherever they work, if given the slightest opportunity. They can be outstanding in scientific research and as executives in businesses.

INTJs are the highest achievers in school of all the types. And on the job, because of their tendency to drive others as hard as they drive themselves, they often seem demanding and difficult to satisfy. Their fellow workers often feel as if a Mastermind can see right through them, and often believe that they find them wanting. This tendency of people to feel transparent, and even incompetent, in their presence often results in working relationships which have some psychological distance. Colleagues may describe INTJs as unemotional and, at times, cold and dispassionate, when in truth they are merely taking the goals of an institution seriously, and continually striving to achieve those goals. Fortunately, indifference or criticism from their fellow workers does not particularly bother Masterminds, if they believe that they are right. All in all, they make dedicated, loyal employees whose loyalties are directed toward the system, rather than toward individuals within the system. As the people in an institution come and go, these NTs have little difficulty getting on with their jobs-unlike the NFs, who have their loyalties involved more with persons than projects.








Saturday, August 6, 2011

Receiving orders from an SP is like trying to eat an apple with a spoon, because you always ask: "why?", and then get extremely frustrated...







8.09,2007
Kris L., email, webpage
age: 30's
When I tested out as an INTJ and read up on it, it was such a relief. It explained a lot of things. I always felt different, but not an any of the "different" ways that I've ever heard of. The INTJ type is so rare it can make it difficult to feel like I belong. I felt, even as a kid, that my brain worked differently than most people. It wasn't just that I was at the top of my class most of the time; is was as if I used a different reasoning process. I work with computers now, and a lot of people are at least close to the same type, which helps a lot.
I'm not good at small talk and wish I were. I love animals and have found it easiest to "chat" with someone when we're talking about our pets. It may be a crutch, but it works.
I think I may be a little nervous about getting close to people. I don't trust easily.
I get irritated sometimes when things go slowly. Sometimes it seems to take forever for people to get to the point. I don't think acting impatient helps, though.
When it comes right down to it, I do like helping people, even though sometimes I really need to be alone





Here is some info (of course this is very general):
- if you go to a library and see someone looking though books and moving in a robot-ish kind of way (purposeful and efficient) then that is likely one of us.
- if you see someone walking and they do not even acknowledge someone walking past them it could be one of us (their gait may not be 100% perfect cause thinking all the time)
- bookstore, could be seeing a movie by themselves, restaurant by themselves.
- by themselves walking purposefully






The main point is ESFJs have a "logic -button" that they want "pushed". By explaning theories in a confident way the world becomes more certain to them. Uncertainty makes them panic.

INTJs (believe it or not) have a "feeling-button" that we want pushed.

The "buttons" are for the things we don't do naturally - they don't do logic and we don't do feelings. Each other's dominant function is the suggestive function of the other.

That is duality.

They key is that my ESFJ wife is more than happy to have an interactive conversation about all my theories - I think I struck gold there.

Monday, August 1, 2011


In Darwinian terms, the key is survival (procreation), not evolution per se. It's too soon to judge which strategies will be successful in the long run. That is, having babies naturally, getting sick, dying young, etc may all be evolutionarily brilliant.

Regarding race, the trend is one of erasure. 95% of the children of ethnically Japanese immigrants to Canada choose non-Japanese partners. Black isn't scary anymore; it's exotic. Etc, etc. The world is going light-brown in a landslide, and sorry to all the blondes and green eyes, but you're yesterday's trash. 



"A modern man lives in sleep, in sleep he is born and in sleep he dies."



Diamond responds correctly to them accusing him of determinism. I've learned in the past days that hard core relativism/constructivism is a strategy to hide ignorance, and that this ignorance is a result of lazy armchair researchers. Thinkers like Diamond, who actually do field research and ample lecture are the ones we should pay attention.





We smart INTJs are superior since we are smart and understand computers. Those other people who aren't as smart as us but have more children are genetically inferior. Or are they? Whose genes will be here in a thousand years? Also, look at what 'successful' people are like. They are often fat and out of shape, near sighted and lack basic survival skills if, heaven forbid, the supermarkets close and food becomes scarce. Those primitive aborigines won't skip a beat if technology goes tits up. The ability to collect lots of paper with images of deceased notables on it does not a superior man make.